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May
28

fuck reagan–this was our greatest president, a prophet:

“The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism — ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. ~ Franklin D. Roosevelt

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  1. MiddleFingerGuy says:

    That’s nice… when you can’t answer Roseanne’s questions, you start a personal attack on her. How dare you!

  2. Lucifer Sam says:

    Blame it on someone else? I accepted the blame when you said democrats are to blame for transparency in the government. What have you accepted blame for?

  3. @Stace- I think you came into this forum with an ax to grind and it wasn’t about FDR or the New Deal. Roseanne is right when she asked you to read the posts more carefully. I noticed the other day that you were prone to misunderstanding the posts. I also noticed your propensity for being rude. Today you’ve really went way too far b/c you have insulted our host, Roseanne with your senseless media mudslinging. Roseanne was also right about the New Deal and you were wrong….but you don’t want to talk about that. When most people learn something they have the courtesy to admit their error and move on. Not you. You don’t seem to understand basic modes of interaction and the common courtesy required for discussion. FURTHERMORE in noting that you misconstrue so many posts, I do not see how you think you can interpret history, historical documents, or the Constitution for that matter.

  4. Another example of a left wing troll, deface anything and anyone who speaks of anything traditional because they feel threatened by that. But actually I don’t drink to remain sane, I drink so at least I can have some laughter at seeing what your foolish party is doing to this country and hell I say after the Dems have their run then why not let the socialists get in there too and demolish whats left ; but only in hopes that after its all done then they can both stop turning around and blame it on someone else.

  5. Lucifer Sam says:

    You drink so you can believe you’re sane. I drink so I can comprehend your level of foolishness. I’ll be here for you when you want to come to your common senses.

  6. Lucifer Sam says:

    For someone who claims to be constitutional, Stace, you seemed to have overlooked the value of our Constitution which states:
    Article 3: Governmental Transparency and Privacy
    We respect individual privacy at the same time demanding all matters of state be open to the people. A government which treats its people like criminals will breed criminals; a government which promotes respect of individuals will breed respect. People will do what is expected, provided they understand what expectations have been set.
    All people deserve the right to privacy in their personal affairs. All people deserve dignity. We are guaranteed to be free from interference in our personal effects, papers, and private lives by the Fourth Amendment to our nation’s Constitution. That the Fourth Amendment does not specify that such protection is limited only to government. We therefore uphold that privacy in one’s communication, one’s home, and one’s private life where there should be an expectation of privacy is inalienable. We decry any attempts to monitor communications by announcing that privacy is suspended, because an expectation of privacy must be preserved in all communications for democracy to exist. It is thus counter to our nation’s Ninth and Fourteenth Amendments to permit activities like warrantless wiretapping, since the implied right to security does not exceed the expressed right to be private from governmental interference.
    All people deserve to be well-informed and involved within their respective governments. The ideal of democracy must be upheld by the people if it is to survive; and this cannot happen if the government is closed to the public or interferes with the private lives of its citizens. Such interference can also be achieved by failure to safeguard the right to privacy. Privacy is necessary to our society’s smooth function. Transparency is the only means by which government can ensure the popular support and involvement in governmental processes. And in the emergent global society, this involvement is critical to the maintenance of our own sovereignty and the timely action of our government.
    We are resolved to promote transparent operation within government wherever possible, and to demand privacy for individual citizens in all things. We further resolve to fight warrant-less wiretapping on the grounds that such is indeed Unconstitutional and directly counter to the aims of our Founding Fathers.

  7. Read Ann Coulter’s books, she puts everything in perspective and essentially everything that she’s saying is right with how corporations and individuals are.
    She’s very similar to you, Roseanne, in the fact that she’ll speak her mind on what she feels is right regardless what everyone else says but actually listen to what she’s saying because its the cold hard truth.

  8. Yes, that you are right about. Individuals should have more rights then corporations but lets say you eliminate the corporations that they have as bosses and then all thats going to be replaced with the is government and essentially individuals being slaves of the government which is really what socialism is.
    You would rather have every citizen be dependent on their government then actually work for what they have—which is what capitalism has them do, its all about putting in the work. Brings back to what I said before—–
    Capitalism = A system that’s last 250 years and makes people not be lazy.
    Socialism = Slavery
    Fascism = A left wing scare tactic

  9. you assume a lot of facts not in evidence, stacy (as do all folks like you who cannot listen or think for themselves). I AM NOT A LIBERAL AT ALL. I HATE LIBERALS AND CONSERVATIVES ALIKE–because they are liars who work for the same bosses–big money bankers.
    I know you will be confused because your mind is so small and so controlled that you actually are caught in the fake paradigm of ‘either or’–conservative vs liberal, left vs. right, blah blah–when that is actually not real or accurate at all.
    Individuals should have more rights than corporations, and that is the subject of this threat which you can never grasp, because you are a mind slave of big money.

  10. Yea, and instead of sending those fresh high school graduates overseas to fight for their country and keep terrorists a bay lets just have those fresh young grads stay at home and go jobless because of wasteful spending on part of a liberal government that can’t create jobs for shit and they can just lay around and do drugs all day—or better yet, run off and get married real quick, they just better make sure the spouse is liberal because then they got the green light for side action and it’ll just be overlooked.
    Yea, republicans are to blame for governmental privacy but liberals are to blame for transparency to not only the american people but the american enemies as well. So basically that’s like saying liberals don’t mind if we don’t have liberty, as long as there’s no secrets involved.

  11. Lucifer Sam says:

    “Troll”? The classic Republican strategy of of labeling the OPPONENT to further desensitize non-republicans in saying that you, Stace, are only slightly conservative… when you are a conservative extremist! Then further desensitizing the public from the definition of slavery and claiming it’s socialism of Adolf Hitler, when in fact it’s a fascist gamble of lives by the republicans yet again, to bring in the fresh graduates of high school to fight republican wars which there very purpose is political gain.
    Republicans start wars and spend the wealth on pointless ends, then leave it to their slaves to clean up. Republicans fight against slavery??? Republicans fight anything that stands in their way! They are power junkies, drunk with power!
    I agree with your view of Capitalism… that’s it. I am pro-socialism, however disagree that it is slavery, fascism is slavery. And though Fascism sets up private sectors keeping secrets from the people, Republicans are the ones to blame for governmental privacy not the Democrats. Democrats have been trying to break down the walls covering the deep dark secrets of America, for instance “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” reflects the Republican battle to keep the military’s dirty little secrets, but unconstitutional “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy is finally being repealed.
    I’m going to get my Rum. We can make this as ugly and immature as you’d like it to be.
    *For the record, I’m no troll. Ha! I’m an Angel of pure Light! Trying to shine upon a lost and hungry soul. How dry she truly must have been before crossing my path.*

  12. What is ironic tho is out of all that liberals accuse republicans of doing, at least we have morals. Notice that its always a liberal women that allows her husband to cheat. JFK has Marlyn, Clinton had Monica, and Arnold has his love child (give he’s a republican but considering Shriver’s liberal family its not surprising she accepted it)

  13. Typical left wing troll, anytime anything comes slightly conservative then lets do a Nazi and Hilter comparison, which is really a moot comparison since Republicans are nothing like Hitler and not saying to enslave people. Republicans are the ones who actually fought against slavery. Abe Lincoln being an example of that.
    Fascism = A scare tactic in the US to try and weaken the private sector by Democrats.
    Socialism = slavery
    Capitalism = a system that has worked fine for the last 250 years.
    I’ll continue this argument later, after a vodka run because this convo is turning a little too boorish to do dry.

  14. Lucifer Sam says:

    Look again, Stace! “Since the days of Adolf Hitler”! Republicans have been using his strategies of desensitizing the public since the 1940s and confusing the American people by saying Fascism=Socialism=Capitalism. When in reality there are huge differences, and SAYING that the processes and procedures of program functionality are the same as all the others is fascism in itself.

  15. So all republicans are Nazis? You consider Abe Lincoln, one of our greatest presidents, to be a Nazi then? Because he was the very first republican president.

  16. Lucifer Sam says:

    Only that, I take notice of how easily you are entertained by immaturity rather than rational mind set. If I were you I would reconsider what is stimulating to you, Stace, and try adapting to the intelligence of common sense. Fascism has been the cup of tea for the republicans since the days of Adolf Hitler.

  17. Yea and your obviously a Roseanne fan: Deprived for attention after enduring 9 years of watching mindless dribble spoken from a woman who talked nonsense out of one hole while the other hole is doing tricks to entertain the driver/baby daddy.
    Lmao, this is actually pretty entertaining. Got anything else to add?

  18. Lucifer Sam says:

    *Booth*

  19. Lucifer Sam says:

    Your mom, is a decapitated, child molester, who dragged you to the republican voting both by the clitoris.
    How’s that for immaturity! :p

  20. Yea, and your Al Gore is a whining, paranoid, carbon billionaire.

  21. ps– your ron paul is a nazi.

  22. purejuice says:

    go, rosie.

  23. And as the very first blogger posted here, the constitution protects against that were to ever happen with the phrase:
    “When a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”

  24. purejuice says:

    In these sentiments, Sir, I agree to this Constitution with all its faults, if they are such; because I think a general Government necessary for us, and there is no form of Government but what may be a blessing to the people if well administered, and believe farther that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in Despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic Government, being incapable of any other.
    — Benjamin Franklin, 1787

  25. purejuice says:

    In these sentiments, Sir, I agree to this Constitution with all its faults, if they are such; because I think a general Government necessary for us, and there is no form of Government but what may be a blessing to the people if well administered, and believe farther that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in Despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic Government, being incapable of any other.
    — On the Constitution, Benjamin Franklin, 1787

  26. Lucifer Sam says:

    Stace… You’re being immature. How old are you?