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What a vile and hideous country:http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1280589635

I have reached the point, after reading today’s news where I can really no longer support in any way anything having to do with Israel or its apologists.  I know that this means I will most likely never work in US media again.  I have tried to navigate my way through attempting to be a person of moral courage and a performer in the US.  I have come to the realization that there is just no way to  remain mute on the subject of the horrid oppression by Israel of its neighbors and workers and have any conscience at all. Everyone in Hollywood must remain mute on this subject if they want to have their work seen by the public.  You will never hear even one other so called “outspoken celebrity” say one word about fascist Israel, nor its genocidal gluttony.  I can’t blame american jews for fearing the backlash of the most powerful elements of the Jewish community.  It’s a true devil’s bargain.  Israel is not good for the Jews, or any other group of humanity.  

Comments

  1. Thank you for remembering that the British Empire started this horror; many have forgotten.
    Btw, does this mean that you won’t be running for PM?
    PS L’shana tovah.
    PPS Why’d you shut down your fb account? Didn’t you know you were the only human celebrity, there?

  2. I am reading your blog, “Domestic Goddess” for the first time; and I am impressed.
    You have an outstanding understanding of the conflict in the Holy Land; and I applaud you for it.
    I hope that people will listen to you. I would have been one who didn’t realize that the comedian/actress was actually such a smart woman as well.
    We won’t have peace until the governments actually try to have it. So far no good.

  3. Hey Roseanne, big fan – miss your show :(
    If I may for a moment – hey, eupheu – Israel’s a democracy all right – for Jews only. You’ve got some Palestinians (Palestinian-Israelis make up over 20% of the pop) in Israel with no roads, schools, water or anything else. @ssholes like Foreign Affairs minister Avigdor Lieberman, a Russian, and an illegal squatter on Palestinian land in the West Bank – wants Palestinians to swear an oath of loyalty to the Jewish State of Israel – or else he wants to deport them. He once suggested putting Arab members of the Israeli parliament on a bus and drowning them in the Red Sea. His idea of a two-state solution is to immediately round up 20% of Israel’s population and ‘transferring’ them out.
    The Ultra Orthodox in Jerusalem have to be encouraged not to spit on the Christians. (I’m sorry, you can’t make this stuff up.)
    Etc.
    Roseanne, my hat is off to you. I read recently that 150 American artists of various kinds signed a letter of support to Israeli artists who have taken a moral position to refuse to perform in the Occupied Palestinian Territories.
    I forget her name, the red-head from Sex in the City I believe was one. Mandy Patinken (apologies re spelling, was another.)
    Welcome to visit my site anytime, Roseanne – http://www.mcloughlinpost.com
    Warmest regards,
    Diane V. McLoughlin
    I’m also on facebook
    twitter: McLoughlinPost

  4. Regarding your post on July 31, 2010 12:27 PM (“What a vile and hideous country)… I just wanna say, “Duh, no shit!!”.
    I’m also a Jew whose mom was a Jew and whose dad was a Mormon” (a fanatic morman, to boot.). Roseanne, I want to praise you for your courageous, humanitarian stance on Israel/Palestine.
    There is absolutely NO doubt that people in the public (politicians, public servants, journalists, entertainers, celebrities, etc) really do risk or jeopardize their freakin’ careers when they simply, legitimately criticize Israel. But when you come right out and say that Israel truly SUCKS !!! Then basically asking to be pilloried and butt-f*cked sans lube. Let’s all get OVER the over-used and abused label of “anti-Semite” … that shit is weak and dead. I’m a freakin’ Jew, and I HATE that Israel is a racist, brutal, dehumanizing, terrorist state. Of course, I don’t like to see all Jews take the heat for Israel’s criminal behavior, but I don’t blame folks for lumping Jews into the same group as the Zionazi bastards who run the state of Israel. After all, Israel calls itself the “Jewish State” and claims to speak for Jews. The fact of the matter is that (as you say)”Israel is not good for the Jews”. Israel is, in fact, the worst enemy of the Jews. We take the heat for Israel’s repugnant and despicable behavior. Too many Jews in the business of entertainment/Hollywood and in the mainstream media are beholden to Israel. Too many in our U.S. government genuflect before Israel. Israel really does control our foreign policy.
    Ironically, most of your and my friends who support Israel (You know, Yay Israel, right or wrong!) are only doing so out of some kind of fucked up brand loyalty. You couldn’t pay those Israel cheerleaders to set one toe in Israel … yet they’re compelled to defend it. Zionazi bastards have hijacked Judaism, and most of those Zionazi bastards have no historical or ancestral connections to the Middle East .. let alone to the “Holy Land”. They’re not even “Semites”. The world is awakening (we Americans are the slowest to awaken), and the truth is being spread … not via the mainstream media … the truth is being spread by folks who have a conscience and who value humanity). The BDS (Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions) movement is growing and taking a bite out of the Israeli economy. We should place our humanity above our religion, politics and nationalism.
    Roseanne, please keep spreading the truth, even though the supply is greater than the demand. Truth is “the good shit”. If you throw enough shit on a wall, some of it will stick! Let’s keep throwing!! “Speak truth to power” … “No justice – No peace!!” Thanks for your comments. I’ve always loved you. I thought I once read where your parents were a Mormon and a Jew. Too bad … :))))

  5. yes, well, I know that the majority of the aid israel receives from the u.s. (more than what we give the entire continent of africa, look at a map and do the math on that one)-is required to be used to buy weapons from our military industrial complex…so that we are in fact forcing Israel to be at war in order to have any kind of an economy at all. I am sure that Cheney and Bush and the rest of the american fascist movement has even more disgusting secrets, and that is why I said I would not be at all surprised if we pay Ahmadinajahd to come out and rattle the sabres in Israel’s direction every few months, and then pay him off, and Hamas and Israel too. We are making money off of every single side in every single conflict on earth.

  6. I posted about “currency converter”. I am simply going to respond with the word “laundering”.
    That is the word that came into my head and then linked to the “currency converter” (at the time of post was unable to reply). The next thoughts after that were America and Israel are money laundering between themselves. Will have to wait and see about those thoughts. The laundering is going to be exposed, in what way I don’t know.
    ****
    Human laundering

  7. LoveTLove ,please accept my appologies i did see your question and i will answer you ,i just got caught with Roseanne provocative posts. Thanks.

  8. LovetheLove says:

    Notice how Eupheu completely ignored my positive comment to him/her. You answered my question without even answering it. I guess what everyone here is saying about you must be true. Good luck to you though!

  9. ROSEANNE – From the “Reporters” mouth:
    I have a personal opinion, it concerns me that it’s true,” Donald Bostrom, who penned the story, told Israel Radio en route to an emergency meeting at the editorial offices Aftonbladet, presumably to discuss the aftermath of the report.
    “I was [present] during the interview that night, I was a witness. It concerns me to the extent that I want it to be investigated,” Bostrom told the station. “But whether it’s true or not – I have no idea, I have no clue.”
    He was referring to a Palestinian witness who recounted an incident where a Palestinian was allegedly taken by the Israeli military and his body returned several days later – lacking some internal organs.
    whether it’s true or not – I have no idea, I have no clue
    I have no idea, I have no clue
    THIS IS YOUR SOURCE! THIS IS WHAT WE CALL FACTS THIS DAYS.

  10. A funny yet appropriate answer i found for Donald Bostrom (The swedish “reporter” which published the blood lible story” ,Which Roseanne clings to..)
    I have no idea if Donald Boström rapes baby dolphins on crack actually. But I do know according to his own rules, its up to him to prove he does not….

  11. IRIS said “I repeat, there IS a practice of enrichment via continuous warmongering, and by exploiting civilians in Israel by scaring them and brainwashing to believe that enslavement, and fighting for the rich, is “for their own protection”.
    I am 5th generations here, to see the Ponzi scheme destroy the fabric of society, my family and others like it, and the wild enrichment of gangsters”
    Believe me when i tell you i don’t know what you are refereing to ,you have observed the situation as you see it which is fair enough ,i would like to know on what are you basing it? What Ponzi Schemes? what Enrichment of Gangsters ? What fighting for the rich? I really would like to know what you are refering to?
    Toda

  12. Roseanne – “FACTS? FROM ME: THE FACTS WERE REPORTED IN THE NEW YORK TIMES, AND THE BBC AND ON YAHOO NEWS, AND THE WALL STREET JOURNAL.”
    I Challange you to produce ONE credible source for the disgusting Blood lible of Israeli Soldier harvesting and selling Organs just ONE – Send a link to my email if you want better yet show it here for anyone to see.
    FROM ME: THE UN IS AN INTERNATIONAL BODY OF LAW WHICH OPPOSES GENOCIDE AND STEALING PEOPLE’S LAND AND THAT IS WHY IT OPPOSES ISRAEL. (“Wahhh!!!! what international law?? They did it too wahhh! the UN doesn’t treat us like the special above the law people that we know we are, because sixty years ago terrible things happened to us! Wahhh!”)
    OH REALLY? IT WAS THE UN THAT VOTED FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE STATE OFISRAEL ,IT WAS THE ARABS WHO REJECTED IT. WE AREN’T GOING TO APPOLOGIZE FOR WINNING THE WARS. THE ARABS SHOULD DEAL WITH THE RESULTS BY NEGOTIATION AND NOT BY TERROR CAMPIEGNS.ISRAEL IS TREATED BELOW THE INT LAW, ITS THE ONLY STATE TO BE CONDEMNED AND ABUSED ESPCIALLY AT THE FACE OF AMERICAN / BRITISH /RUSSIAN /CHINEESE BRUTALITY WAY MORE DEADLIER THEN ISRAEL ,SO YES THE UN IS AN INT GROUP OF BANDITS AND HORSE THIEVES.
    I HAVE NEVER WHINED ,YOU ARE REDUCING THE DEBATE TO KINDERGARTEN LEVEL ,YOU HAVE YET TO SHOW ME ONE FACT ,DON’T QUOTE ME SWEDISH REPORTERS OR ARAB MEDIA OR ULTRA WING LEFTISH POLITICAN ,SHOW ME CREDIBLE SOURCE YES BBC CNN WALLSTREET JOURNAL WILL DO.
    THANK YOU IN ADVANCE.

  13. look back to how you immediately resorted to character assasination, re my comments on the problem of never ending war, in israel and the enslavement via Zionist paranoia. Instead of addressing my claims, you attacked my credibility, sanity and what not/
    I repeat, there IS a practice of enrichment via continuous warmongering, and by exploiting civilians in Israel by scaring them and brainwashing to believe that enslavement, and fighting for the rich, is “for their own protection”.
    I am 5th generations here, to see the Ponzi scheme destroy the fabric of society, my family and others like it, and the wild enrichment of gangsters. So please do not speak in my name when you “respond to accusations”, because you are not concerned with my welfare or well being, on the contrary, as it appears here,you and the likes of you, would like to shut me up no matter how. Roseanne proposed some reasonable and well meaning solutions, like choosing a country where my life will be respected (new zealand or others) instead of living in the hell I am, with people like you not even pretending to wish well.
    so, you are speaking on behalf of a small group of opportunists, for whom Israel is a chicken laying golden eggs. I’ve been had by this scam, but I will speak about it, when I can.

  14. Eupheu, I appreciate your willingness to take a deep breath and start over again. So let’s do that! None of us are perfect and we ALL have much to learn which is why I think we’re all here. So please tell us what YOUR beliefs are about the Israeli government, modern Judaism as a whole, it’s relation to the rest of the world, and where you’d like to see the future of it. Surely you can’t think its 100% perfect? (what is?) Remember, I’m a person who wants the BEST for the common Israeli person and that includes you!

  15. Iris it would be hard for me addressing your accusations as you aren’t being specific at all, give me something I can relate to and not an amorphic idea.

  16. Roseanne said – “Israeli soldiers murdered people in Gaza and stole their kidneys and livers to sell for money. FACT.”
    - Now this is almost unbearable for me to read ,i mean Roseanne are you really standing behind this assertion? Or was it written in the heat of the moment? This has got to be one of the most appaling blood libles out there ,Where are the FACTS? FROM ME: THE FACTS WERE REPORTED IN THE NEW YORK TIMES, AND THE BBC AND ON YAHOO NEWS, AND THE WALL STREET JOURNAL.
    are we jews still making Matzes from Gentiles blood? surely there is a moment you stop and think WOW that is even too much even for me. I REALY hope you retract this FACT as it lays a dark shedow over all the discussion.
    FROM ME: IN OTHER WORDS, YOU DO NOT ACCEPT ANY FACTS THAT ARE ANTITHETICAL TO THE BRAINWASHING YOU CALL CLEAR THINKING. (this we know about you and everyone like you living in hatred and denial).
    Roseanne said – “Israel helped South Africa’s racist government oppress blacks–FACT” Let’s make a distinction ,YES Israel dealing with SA Apartheid regime was moralisitc Wrong ,it didn’t Deal with this regime to oppress Blacks ,The dealing with SA was a cynical self-interest by ISrael to extract certain materials it needed for it’s own security. Moraly wrong i agree. FROM ME: LOOK AT HOW YOU EXCUSE ISRAEL’S SUPPORT FOR A DEADLY RACIST REGIME—”ISRAEL HAD NO CHOICE” (your typical crybaby “they did it too! wahhh!” zionist excuse).
    Roseanne said – “The UN says that Israel is wrong, so Israel calls the UN racist. American Jews say Israel is wrong, so Israel defames American Jews” – PLease help me understand what is the UN ,What is the essence and purpose of this international body? a Body constrcuted of a majority of states which are Dictatorships/Monarchies/Tyranies ,a body which is ridicules common human decency ,where Nations as Syria/Algieres or Lyba head the commities for Human rights ,a Body which singles out ONE nation in this whole vast world ,Is this your just banalaced arena to pass judgment on Israel? The league of bandits and murderes has lost of Moral grounds when it comes to Israel. As to American Jews ,will i’m not aware of an orgenized campeign against American Jews, if you are refering to the treament of figures like Chomsky and Finkelstein oh well this is has nothing to do to there original or relegion it has everything to do with there Opinions and agenda.FROM ME: THE UN IS AN INTERNATIONAL BODY OF LAW WHICH OPPOSES GENOCIDE AND STEALING PEOPLE’S LAND AND THAT IS WHY IT OPPOSES ISRAEL. (“Wahhh!!!! what international law?? They did it too wahhh! the UN doesn’t treat us like the special above the law people that we know we are, because sixty years ago terrible things happened to us! Wahhh!”)
    Rosean said “you answer me on the white phosphorous and collective punishment” ,White Phosphorous has become a common word in every living room this days, shows how powerfell the Anti Israeli Propoganda machine is working ,and it is effective and it is poisoning ,i assume the image of Vietnamis girl scorched from AMerican Napalm bombs pops to memory eachtime. Well to the best of my knowledge the use of such weapons is ALLOWED in a battle field in a very constrained manner when trying to disarm a mine field and such ,i’m not aware of any direct usage of such material against the population of Gaza ,feel free to direct me to such material.
    FROM ME: THE ENTIRE WORLD PRESS.—of course you are a liar and as evil a human being as exists. You say nothing off script, because you feel nothing for anyone but yourself.
    As to Collective Punishment well that’s an interesting question ,so to which length would you share or place responisbilty on a community/people which elected a government which openly calls for the destruction of another state and not only called but activlly is attacking it’s neighbours? THE ZIONIST EXCUSE: “WAHH, EVERYONE DOES IT! WAHH, MOMMY CHANGE MY PANTIES, I POOPED! WAHHH!”””
    Are those people innocnet bystanders or just victims? Were ALL germans guilty by associetion to the Nazi’s policies? I would say YES.
    FROM ME: WE AGREE–ALL ISRAELIS ARE GUILTY. THANK YOU!
    FROM ME: YES YOU ARE ACCOUNTABLE, THANK YOU! YOU HAVE MADE MY POINT FOR ME—MOVE TO NEW ZEALAND, AND AWAY FROM THE CONSEQUENCES THAT COME FROM SUPPORTING A TERRORIST GOVERNMENT SUCH AS ISRAEL—ie…HAVING ROCKETS SHOT AT YOU, AND THE HATRED OF THE ENTIRE WORLD AIMED YOUR WAY. YOU SIMPLY DESERVE IT, and should stop whining and move away.

  17. “israel and its population” ? I am an Israeli *Jew*, i live in israel, and am 5th generation in Israel. I am not happy here, to say the least. I am voicing my concerns.
    you dont seem to correct the horrible accusations, you seem to be the horrible accuser, yourself.

  18. So ,now that i have my voice restored to me i will try to set the records straight – My intenetions were not to offend or insult anyone although i understand my words might be taken as such ,in the heat of “battle” i assume ,not that words and statements hurled back were less offensive but let bygone be bygones. My purpose here isn’t to debate Kabala or anyother spiritual path people take ,i’m ignorent in this field and i don’t pretend that i uderstand the fundementals of this way of life. I will argue on Issues close to my heart and try and correct some of the horrible acuuestion lashed out at ISrael and it’s population someofthem ,unforutenly, text book anti-semitic. Hope we can maintain a productive constructive conversation.

  19. Habitual Offender says:

    “note to the web designer”
    Should’ve used a flash design.

  20. eupheu–i dont know what to do–this whole thing is still getting bugs out, sorry! Let me ask the designer why…I did unban you, eupheu…

  21. Nope still permission denied for my “eupheu” account.

  22. there is a ton of info here on kaballistic meditation.

  23. Roseanne, when you have some time, please create a post that talks about the basics of the Kabbalah. I’m very interested in learning about it. And I’m also interested to know why it’s become so popular in the entertainment industry. Plus like I said, I’ve been into spirituality since I was very young. And maybe I can even incorporate some of the Kabbalah into my own thinking!

  24. you are unbanned, but the minute you start to insult kaballah or the jews, you will again be banned.

  25. I will restore if you answer me on the white phosphorous and collective punishment. You also must not insult other people here.

  26. You are projecting the zionist paranoia (verbatim) to me. your response to me had no relation to what I said, but it was an exact psychological account of paranoia that your ideology espouses.
    Secondly, the ideological slavery is not a bomb, except for ignoramus like yourself. Women were conditioned ideological to believe they are lesser and subservient, the caste regime in India is based on ideological slavery (people believe they are born lesser and to serve other people), stalinism drove people to lose their freedoms and dignity willingly, etc. etc. etc. et.c et.c..history is the long story of ideological enlavement, because not only you, but generations of people who exploited others were working hard to scare the subjugated into their cages, first by telling them its for their own good, and if that doesnt work (like here), they threaten, and then they use violence.
    IF you had a shred of decency you would be interested, genuinely, to listen open mindedly to the grievances and injustices, in order to maintain Jewish survival and solidarity. but you espouse fear, hatred and paranoia, and then project them to others.
    Sick ? I think so, but when you are on the winning side, materially and politically, the sickness is not treatable. times will change.

  27. eupheu, I can respect the fact that you’re all anti-luxury blah blah blah, but I have to repeat based on your reply to me: YOU HAVE NO INTUITION because I cannot stand everything that you accused me of! I’m not rich. I don’t drive a sports car (yuck) and I rarely ever drink alchohol.
    As for the kaballah, it’s just like most all spiritual paths, it can be used for good and evil alike. You can’t automatically assume that just because Roseanne is into it that she’s using it for dark purposes. It’s like the “occult” itself. All it means is “hidden” and that means it can be used for the Light AND the Dark. I know almost nothing about the kaballah except that it’s about ancient Jewish mysticism and the Tree of Life. It all depends on WHY and HOW it’s being used.
    I’m starting to feel sorry for eupheu actually because this person just seems totally insecure even though he/she is spot on about a *few* things he/she said. What this person needs to stop doing is appealing to authority and begin thinking for him/herself. In today’s society throughout the western world, that’s hard for someone who’s never been able to question anything. For myself, on the other hand, if I may brag for a quick second, I questioned authority ever since pre-school. I was never popular at Sunday school that’s for sure!
    All I know is that this fighting has to stop and I know that I contributed to some of it and for that I apologize to everyone here.

  28. From Roseanne ASSIST ME IN DEFINING WHAT FACT MEANS
    So for the record this is the first and last post i make as “fnati” ,i have been posting as “eupheu” but you chose to lock/delete/censor me – All you call for has been negated by a single brutal act of silencing .If you think i’m insulting just put a mirror before you and understand i/we are insulted/offended just as much from your comments. But if you feel Silence is your best companion go ahead ,i wish you happiness success and peace.
    PS – if for some reason you decide to restore my previous account i will try and answer most of the questions you asked me.
    Take Care

  29. from eupheu–
    LovetheLove, For somereason i can’t help imagining you driving your sports car, drinking fancy cocktails and enjoying ridicules resturants..
    Only a person which floats in the luxerious decadent life form risingg from the greedy capitalistic system which governs us can suddenly embrace an idea of a better enlighten way of life.
    FROM ME: WHAT DOES THIS MEAN, EXACTLY? That the rich are better and smarter, yet immoral? which is it?
    It is not a coincidence Kabala and other spiritual path are embraced by those of higher class, by the rich ,by the famous..But i really don’t wanna belittle this path you are taking. If you would like to focus your argument on Reality ,Facts ,Reason i will be gladly happy to asist.
    FROM ME: GREAT—ASSIST ME IN DEFINING WHAT FACT MEANS–UN STATISTICS? WHAT DOES REASON MEAN? –SPIN? WHAT DOES REALITY MEAN? PROPAGANDA? The UN says that Israel is wrong, so Israel calls the UN racist. American Jews say Israel is wrong, so Israel defames American Jews, while robbing their pockets. Israel helped South Africa’s racist government oppress blacks–FACT. Israeli soldiers murdered people in Gaza and stole their kidneys and livers to sell for money. FACT. Fact means nothing to you. “They did it too! Wahhh!” Bullies and racists cannot really think, and are cowards.

  30. eupheu–Since you are so smart, explain the use of white phosphorous on a captive civilian population please. Also, while you are at it explain collective punishment and genocide…Now, these are terrible when they happen to jews, but great when they are done by Zionists, right?
    Zionists want a theological state but they are atheists…explain that one too. It’s because the Jewish People are a race right? NO? Well, then are they an ethnicity? Then explain to us all why it is that Zionists discriminate against native born sephardic jews, and give preferential housing to russian jewish immigrants over those who actually were born and belong there? Is it because dark jews just don’t look Aryan enough for your German-Zionist roots?
    Why does racism appeal to you so deeply?
    .
    You are ignorant about Kabballah–it is studied by every rabbi alive, and in every yeshiva on earth. Stop saying it is only Madonna and Hollywood who study it. Stop defaming Jewish people. You Zionists are in bed with bankers, and other criminals. You are really insulting, and arrogant bigots.

  31. Iris as long as we are honest it’s not if this is the first time i read “refreshing” opinions and thought processes as you layed out… One doesn’t need to invent himself allover again to survive in this crazy world. I prefer logical realistic discussion when one can convince the other rather then utilizing verbal bombs as “ideological Slavery”.

  32. i guess you are familiar with your thought processes, because u just gave a fair account of it.
    your “by the book” responses to opinions you can’t handle are expected – mad/bad . make my day, say something new, or at leasst something YOU came up with …

  33. LovetheLove, For somereason i can’t help imagining you driving your sports car, drinking fancy cocktails and enjoying ridicules resturants..Only a person which floats in the luxerious decadent life form risingg from the greedy capitalistic system which governs us can suddenly embrace an idea of a better enlighten way of life. It is not a coincidence Kabala and other spiritual path are embraced by those of higher class, by the rich ,by the famous..But i really don’t wanna belittle this path you are taking. If you would like to focus your argument on Reality ,Facts ,Reason i will be gladly happy to asist.

  34. “and support a two state solution until all the palestinians become jordanians and all the israelis become the fifty first us state” – Wow interesting idea ,So let’s agree you are a Zionist till this unforseen future occurs? The fact none of the parties ,Israelis nor Jordanian nor Americans nor Palestinians want this solutio is beside the point for you.
    There is no such thing as Right of Return ,it has nothing to do with Religion it has everything to do with Reality. Jews will not return in Mass to Poland ,Americans will not return in Mass to Italy and Brits will not go back to France. States will not be abolished at the snap of a finger ,and million of lives won’t vanish in tin air becuase some poster on cyberspace has a vision of who knows what. Accept reality try to solve what can be resolved.

  35. Eupheu, I am not going there… your goal is sophistry and “outwitting”, which is the prevailing aggressive form of communication in Israel. the goal is not to convince or exchange, but to intimidate and dominate, and regretfully, usually the most aggressive preachers of “the cause” are doube dealing thieves that end up in the USA, very rich, but still screaming, so that we dont take the time to figure what “shtick and trick” they are hiding. Listen, Maidoff (and Hirshzon here) killed the trade, its just taking a bit longer than it should for the truth to kick in.
    Ideological slavery is a great invention, it frees the owners from the burden of paying wardens and guards. I am not surprised therefore that the devout “zionists” are panicking….imagine they had no willing dupes to exploit?
    ps
    Kabbala ? who spread that hoax in the USA first ? (let me give you a clue, Israeli Zionists who needed some front groups to run some ops and games), as the saying goes, by kabbala itself, the golem outdid its masters.
    anyway, if everyone is sending me somewhere, I prefer New Zealand to Syria;Korea, so here…htat’s the last of it.

  36. LovetheLove says:

    “and so Israel is indeed a theocracy run by atheists.”
    They’re not atheists Roseanne. They’re practicing “Luciferians” for lack of a better word. I almost WISH they were atheists though! But they have all the symbols of what they believe around them. You’re certainly right though…they’re no Jews (in the traditional sense at least). And for the record, I have total respect for the common Israeli person and I wish them nothing but total freedom from the fascist state they live under. Just like everyone else. Another problem that almost nobody knows about is the Vatican. But that’s a topic for another post.

  37. LovetheLove says:

    To think this person had the nerve to even mention the Native Americans when they are the people, of ALL people, who have the right to tell ALL OF US Americans to get the hell off their land and they would have the right to.
    Roseanne, it’s worthless arguing with an atheist. They do not follow along with what they fear most: SPIRITUAL evolution. Don’t even bother. The Mother Goddess will prevail regardless of such voluntary ignorance.
    The bottom line is: all government is corrupt by its very nature. All MONETARY systems are corrupt by its very nature. Always was, always will be as long as they continue to exist. It’s about POWER. The American government is equally corrupt and some believe in cahoots with the Israeli government in their quest to….YES Eupheu…rule the world. Why else does the American establishment and its media always censor the Israeli government’s atrocities against innocent civilians? What about Rachel Corrie? It’s so simplistic a notion that any G.I. Joe playing 7 year old can relate to the idea of “ruling the world, man!” (albeit in a much more innocent way of course).
    The reason I raised the issue I did way up above is NOT to fear-monger, but to raise awareness that there is evidence…EVIDENCE that is all around us (to those with eyes to see and ears to hear and INTUITION to sense) that there is a global network of elites who are loyal to no single country in their age-old quest….to yes…dominate the world by stealth. And there are a growing number of former “non-believers” who are saying “oh my goodness, I think you guys might be onto something!”. Trust me, it’s not something I WANT to be true. Quite the opposite. And even still, I’ll always believe that the Light will overcome the Dark.
    Your problem, among others I’m sure, is that your natural-born intuitive instincts have been bashed down into the dark recesses of your subconscious mind rendering you defenseless against corporate-government propaganda designed to keep you where you are at now: almost lifeless.
    Save yourself and replace your ego with your natural intuitive abilities of reason and discernment. It’ll take you years if you begin: NOW. But you WON’T begin now. You probably won’t begin…ever.
    Save yourself…from yourself, and the materialistic lifestyle you choose to dwell within, like the rest of the herd you blindly follow. Not only that, but you actually have the nerve to preach to others to do the same otherwise they won’t fit in. You’re the type of person in highschool who would walk up to the quiet nerdy type reader sitting in the cafeteria and mockingly say “you’re such a loser…you have no friends”. Well congradulation Mr (or Ms) Popularity, you’ve managed to succumb yourself to the societal conditioning. You are INDEED a brainwashed follower. And your friends will leave you at the drop of a hat for someone even MORE popular and rich than yourself you materialistic DULLARD.
    Again, pathetic.

  38. I am for a three way split of Jerusalem, jew muslim and catholic. I am not a zionist, and support a two state solution until all the palestinians become jordanians and all the israelis become the fifty first us state. Israel denies Palestinians the right to return to their own homes and homeland because they are not jewish, and so Israel is indeed a theocracy run by atheists.

  39. Well the law of return (funny the palestinians are using the term right of return as well) does grant Jews citizenship in Israel ,but i wouldn’t consider that as a sign of Theocracy unless we really grasping at straws here. To me it’s a valid law upheld by The constituation and the Supremecourt (which aren’t really driven by Relegious bidings).
    Did it occur to you that by supporting the 2 state solution you have just proclaimed yourself a Zionist? As long as you support the right of Jews to a statehood on the land of Israel you are a Zionist. And that is exactly the kind of conversation i’m trying to reach. No Need for twisted misconception which are thrown constantly at Israel as part of worldwide political campeign.
    And Yes Bibi is an idiot.

  40. read some of what i have written before telling me how wrong i am, thanks

  41. you should read some of the things I have written before you assume that I am typical. I am actually an independent thinker who bows to no patriarchal order.

  42. ok–now we are caught up with each other–you say no! God did not give Israel to the Jews! Thank you!
    as to whether Israel is a democracy or a theocracy: Can any jew anywhere on earth return to Israel and receive citizenship simply by virtue of being born a Jew? yes or no?
    answer to your question: (if you had taken the time to read what I write here, which you obviously have not done, you would see that I support a two state solution in the ME, not a one state solution).
    The entire world supports a two state solution! Bibi purposely fucked that up…and you know it.

  43. Kabala centers in Israel and in the US don’t seem to thrive on spiritual foundation only…But maybe i’m naive. Not to say that you are one of those Spiritual sales person but i’m sure between you and i we can find someone who profits from it ,we are Jews after all :)